Comments on: Borrower is Slave to the Lender | The Point http://www.moneyhelpforchristians.com/borrower-is-slave-to-the-lender-the-point/ Frugal, Simple, Debt-Free Living, and Generous Giving Sat, 11 Feb 2012 21:06:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: emma http://www.moneyhelpforchristians.com/borrower-is-slave-to-the-lender-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-15734 emma Tue, 29 Nov 2011 19:49:18 +0000 http://www.moneyhelpforchristians.com/borrower-is-slave-to-the-lender-the-point/#comment-15734 certainly, debt does not make someone a slave rather, a servant. in the sense that a debtor can sue a creditor if he/she go beyond violating his fundamental right. A slave only has one choice while several choices are before a servant. my advice is, don't borrow above what you can't afford or borrow to buy a liability that is beyond your financial capability certainly, debt does not make someone a slave rather, a servant. in the sense that a debtor can sue a creditor if he/she go beyond violating his fundamental right. A slave only has one choice while several choices are before a servant. my advice is, don’t borrow above what you can’t afford or borrow to buy a liability that is beyond your financial capability

]]> By: Jarrod http://www.moneyhelpforchristians.com/borrower-is-slave-to-the-lender-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-15181 Jarrod Sun, 28 Aug 2011 12:42:57 +0000 http://www.moneyhelpforchristians.com/borrower-is-slave-to-the-lender-the-point/#comment-15181 All I know is that in five years from the moment the Lord opened my eyes to why we couldn't prosper we went from six figure debt to six figure income. We're now able to give where we couldn't before. I've talked seven people into becoming debt free. Four Christian brothers by telling them about how we're able to give and three non-Christians by comparing net worth. With those three I made it a point to point them to Ramsey or Burkett in hopes that they would get more than just financial freedom. I've never heard anyone that has experienced complete financial freedom say anything other than "I'll never go back". Money & money fights are the #1 cause of divorce in America. If you lose your job and are unable to make your house payments you can get foreclosed on. An overload of debt could force you into bankruptcy, thereby disqualifying you from certain jobs. If you are under obligation to several lenders, your fear of not being able to make payments might prevent you from leaving your job even if it means missing your dream. So it could be argued that debt could possibly take your marriage, home & opportunities. All I know is that in five years from the moment the Lord opened my eyes to why we couldn’t prosper we went from six figure debt to six figure income. We’re now able to give where we couldn’t before.

I’ve talked seven people into becoming debt free. Four Christian brothers by telling them about how we’re able to give and three non-Christians by comparing net worth. With those three I made it a point to point them to Ramsey or Burkett in hopes that they would get more than just financial freedom. I’ve never heard anyone that has experienced complete financial freedom say anything other than “I’ll never go back”.

Money & money fights are the #1 cause of divorce in America. If you lose your job and are unable to make your house payments you can get foreclosed on. An overload of debt could force you into bankruptcy, thereby disqualifying you from certain jobs. If you are under obligation to several lenders, your fear of not being able to make payments might prevent you from leaving your job even if it means missing your dream.

So it could be argued that debt could possibly take your marriage, home & opportunities.

]]> By: Craig http://www.moneyhelpforchristians.com/borrower-is-slave-to-the-lender-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-15177 Craig Sun, 28 Aug 2011 09:48:06 +0000 http://www.moneyhelpforchristians.com/borrower-is-slave-to-the-lender-the-point/#comment-15177 Jarrod, I agree that Jesus’ relationship to man is a completely different context. However, I don’t think we can say that the Bible verse in Proverbs applies to those “in debt or have cosigned”. The context seems to be discussing cosigning not taking on debt. Jarrod,
I agree that Jesus’ relationship to man is a completely different context.

However, I don’t think we can say that the Bible verse in Proverbs applies to those “in debt or have cosigned”. The context seems to be discussing cosigning not taking on debt.

]]> By: Jarrod http://www.moneyhelpforchristians.com/borrower-is-slave-to-the-lender-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-15167 Jarrod Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:11:58 +0000 http://www.moneyhelpforchristians.com/borrower-is-slave-to-the-lender-the-point/#comment-15167 I don't think the relationship of Jesus to his fellow man is in any way comparable to the relationship between a borrower and lender. What the Bible says about if you're in debt or have cosigned: Proverbs 6 4 Give not sleep to thine eyes, nor slumber to thine eyelids. 5 Deliver thyself as a gazelle from the hand of the hunter, and as a bird from the hand of the fowler. I don’t think the relationship of Jesus to his fellow man is in any way comparable to the relationship between a borrower and lender.

What the Bible says about if you’re in debt or have cosigned:
Proverbs 6

4 Give not sleep to thine eyes, nor slumber to thine eyelids.

5 Deliver thyself as a gazelle from the hand of the hunter, and as a bird from the hand of the fowler.

]]> By: Stephen http://www.moneyhelpforchristians.com/borrower-is-slave-to-the-lender-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-15150 Stephen Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:39:49 +0000 http://www.moneyhelpforchristians.com/borrower-is-slave-to-the-lender-the-point/#comment-15150 Jesus was a servant. Did that also make him a slave? Nope. Good article. Jesus was a servant. Did that also make him a slave? Nope. Good article.

]]> By: Craig http://www.moneyhelpforchristians.com/borrower-is-slave-to-the-lender-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-14748 Craig Fri, 03 Jun 2011 20:39:42 +0000 http://www.moneyhelpforchristians.com/borrower-is-slave-to-the-lender-the-point/#comment-14748 Clayton, Thanks for your helpful comments. Debt is indeed often not a good thing. Debt can destroy. I don't want people to get the impression that I'm promoting the use of debt on this website. "The correct biblical translation is Slave , not servent. When God used the word servent in other parts of the bible, it isn’t the same word." Clayton, I'm not sure this is a correct statement. There are certainly occasions when 'doulos' is translated as slave and other times when it is translated as servant. My basic point is that not all debt removes freedoms. But, in the Bible when people borrowed it was their last resort and would be thrown in prison if the didn't repay. That sort of think doesn't happen today (unless I'm wrong) so I think we need to recognize we're in a different cultural milieu than when the Bible was written. Clayton,
Thanks for your helpful comments.
Debt is indeed often not a good thing. Debt can destroy. I don’t want people to get the impression that I’m promoting the use of debt on this website.

“The correct biblical translation is Slave , not servent. When God used the word servent in other parts of the bible, it isn’t the same word.”
Clayton, I’m not sure this is a correct statement. There are certainly occasions when ‘doulos’ is translated as slave and other times when it is translated as servant.

My basic point is that not all debt removes freedoms. But, in the Bible when people borrowed it was their last resort and would be thrown in prison if the didn’t repay. That sort of think doesn’t happen today (unless I’m wrong) so I think we need to recognize we’re in a different cultural milieu than when the Bible was written.

]]> By: Clayton http://www.moneyhelpforchristians.com/borrower-is-slave-to-the-lender-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-14744 Clayton Fri, 03 Jun 2011 17:49:43 +0000 http://www.moneyhelpforchristians.com/borrower-is-slave-to-the-lender-the-point/#comment-14744 Are borrowers slaves or servents? Well you don't have to look very far to find the answer to that. Ask any divorced person, what the primary reson for their fighting was. Debt is never a good thing. It brings strife into a marriage, and tears down relationships. Sons and daughters have stopped communicating with parents because of the guilt of a debt owed., Houses, Cars and entire ways of life have been reposessed because of dept. If you owe a debt to the IRS, you can go to jail. The correct biblical translation is Slave , not servent. When God used the word servent in other parts of the bible, it isn't the same word. It is good and Godly to be a servent to others, it Is not Godly to be a slave. Christians are to be servents to Jesus and his people, but not slaves to anyone. Depb almost always causes strife, or worry. If you buy a house with debt, you end up paying 2 to 3 times the purchase price by the time your done. If you buy a new car with debt, even if it is 0% you end up loosing 60 percent of the value before its paid off. I'm not wealthy, but I owe no man anything, and that is true freedom. Are borrowers slaves or servents? Well you don’t have to look very far to find the answer to that. Ask any divorced person, what the primary reson for their fighting was. Debt is never a good thing. It brings strife into a marriage, and tears down relationships. Sons and daughters have stopped communicating with parents because of the guilt of a debt owed., Houses, Cars and entire ways of life have been reposessed because of dept. If you owe a debt to the IRS, you can go to jail. The correct biblical translation is Slave , not servent. When God used the word servent in other parts of the bible, it isn’t the same word. It is good and Godly to be a servent to others, it Is not Godly to be a slave. Christians are to be servents to Jesus and his people, but not slaves to anyone. Depb almost always causes strife, or worry. If you buy a house with debt, you end up paying 2 to 3 times the purchase price by the time your done. If you buy a new car with debt, even if it is 0% you end up loosing 60 percent of the value before its paid off. I’m not wealthy, but I owe no man anything, and that is true freedom.

]]> By: Craig http://www.moneyhelpforchristians.com/borrower-is-slave-to-the-lender-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-7875 Craig Wed, 04 Aug 2010 20:14:33 +0000 http://www.moneyhelpforchristians.com/borrower-is-slave-to-the-lender-the-point/#comment-7875 @Jarrod Thanks for the comment. I do push people for debt-free living. I don’t think I’ve ever encouraged anyone to get a loan on this blog. @Jarrod
Thanks for the comment.
I do push people for debt-free living. I don’t think I’ve ever encouraged anyone to get a loan on this blog.

]]> By: Jarrod http://www.moneyhelpforchristians.com/borrower-is-slave-to-the-lender-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-7872 Jarrod Wed, 04 Aug 2010 19:45:05 +0000 http://www.moneyhelpforchristians.com/borrower-is-slave-to-the-lender-the-point/#comment-7872 Being in debt certainly makes you feel like a slave, so I'd say it makes you a slave. Having experienced debt & debt free living. I'll go with debt free. Pay off your last debt after being deeply in debt and tell me that doesn't feel like someone just broke your chains of bondage. Very freeing. One of the definitions I found for melodramatic was "over emotional". I could easily apply that to my experience. Really though even if it is melodramatic why wouldn't you want to push Christians with all your might towards debt free living. Being debt free I have more money to give than I have at any other point in my life, if I require health care in my old age I won't be a burden to my children, and fear of lay-offs is a thing of the past. Live debt free people! Dave Ramsey for the win. Being in debt certainly makes you feel like a slave, so I’d say it makes you a slave. Having experienced debt & debt free living. I’ll go with debt free.

Pay off your last debt after being deeply in debt and tell me that doesn’t feel like someone just broke your chains of bondage. Very freeing.

One of the definitions I found for melodramatic was “over emotional”. I could easily apply that to my experience. Really though even if it is melodramatic why wouldn’t you want to push Christians with all your might towards debt free living. Being debt free I have more money to give than I have at any other point in my life, if I require health care in my old age I won’t be a burden to my children, and fear of lay-offs is a thing of the past.

Live debt free people!

Dave Ramsey for the win.

]]> By: Gholmes http://www.moneyhelpforchristians.com/borrower-is-slave-to-the-lender-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-7269 Gholmes Wed, 30 Jun 2010 22:12:44 +0000 http://www.moneyhelpforchristians.com/borrower-is-slave-to-the-lender-the-point/#comment-7269 @ Craig Yes there is no debtor prisons now in USA. However, I do think risks are the same, debt traps today as in Biblical times. As a nation there is talk now how our debt has put us at mercy of the Chinese' government. Recently I read what would happen if Chinese wanted to devalue the dollar by flooding the bond market when we were trying to sell more debt. I like the scripture in Romans 13:8 "Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuous debt to love one another...": Jesus used parables and stories to drive home his points. Using word picture "slave" is getting the point home may be melodramatic and not work on you but for someone else it may be the motivation to break the cycle of debt our generation has been under. @ Craig Yes there is no debtor prisons now in USA. However, I do think risks are the same, debt traps today as in Biblical times. As a nation there is talk now how our debt has put us at mercy of the Chinese’ government. Recently I read what would happen if Chinese wanted to devalue the dollar by flooding the bond market when we were trying to sell more debt.

I like the scripture in Romans 13:8 “Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuous debt to love one another…”: Jesus used parables and stories to drive home his points. Using word picture “slave” is getting the point home may be melodramatic and not work on you but for someone else it may be the motivation to break the cycle of debt our generation has been under.

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